Comments on: Bad medicine: my run-in with a fancy cardiologist. http://crabappleherbs.com/blog/2007/04/11/bad-medicine-my-run-in-with-a-fancy-cardiologist/ Sun, 06 Jul 2008 21:03:18 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.1.2 By: Kiva Rose http://crabappleherbs.com/blog/2007/04/11/bad-medicine-my-run-in-with-a-fancy-cardiologist/#comment-3118 Kiva Rose Thu, 12 Apr 2007 02:49:06 +0000 http://crabappleherbs.com/blog/2007/04/11/bad-medicine-my-run-in-with-a-fancy-cardiologist/#comment-3118 Oh dear... a common and very unfortunate experience.... Many doctors do think this way, but there are exceptions to this, compassionate doctors really researching their patients' health. I've experienced both sides, both on my own behalf and also on my clients behalf... and it can be really hard to take when an arrogant doctor is not only wrong but implementing dangerous practices with the utmost confidence... I so feel for you... I do love how I can make everyone in a room turn around and stare at me if I even whisper "fat can be good for your heart" Oh dear… a common and very unfortunate experience…. Many doctors do think this way, but there are exceptions to this, compassionate doctors really researching their patients’ health. I’ve experienced both sides, both on my own behalf and also on my clients behalf… and it can be really hard to take when an arrogant doctor is not only wrong but implementing dangerous practices with the utmost confidence…

I so feel for you…

I do love how I can make everyone in a room turn around and stare at me if I even whisper “fat can be good for your heart”

]]> By: Sarah H http://crabappleherbs.com/blog/2007/04/11/bad-medicine-my-run-in-with-a-fancy-cardiologist/#comment-3171 Sarah H Fri, 13 Apr 2007 11:43:51 +0000 http://crabappleherbs.com/blog/2007/04/11/bad-medicine-my-run-in-with-a-fancy-cardiologist/#comment-3171 wow, I remember going through this when my Dad had colon cancer. He got so he would only eat sugar frosted corn flakes as a snack because that is what he was allowed, even though he had lovely seasonal oranges shipped to his home, and I provided him with organic low sugar blueberry jam, these foods where forbidden. I was so frustrated. At least he was eating liver. My prayers go out to you and your family member. I thank you for this blog, I tried the grapefruit candy recipe and made the liquer too. Thanks for a blog that is practicle as well as philisophical. Yours SH wow, I remember going through this when my Dad had colon cancer. He got so he would only eat sugar frosted corn flakes as a snack because that is what he was allowed, even though he had lovely seasonal oranges shipped to his home, and I provided him with organic low sugar blueberry jam, these foods where forbidden. I was so frustrated. At least he was eating liver. My prayers go out to you and your family member.
I thank you for this blog, I tried the grapefruit candy recipe and made the liquer too. Thanks for a blog that is practicle as well as philisophical.
Yours
SH

]]> By: crabappleherbs http://crabappleherbs.com/blog/2007/04/11/bad-medicine-my-run-in-with-a-fancy-cardiologist/#comment-3182 crabappleherbs Fri, 13 Apr 2007 18:52:22 +0000 http://crabappleherbs.com/blog/2007/04/11/bad-medicine-my-run-in-with-a-fancy-cardiologist/#comment-3182 Thanks, Kiva and Sarah! Thanks, Kiva and Sarah!

]]> By: crabappleherbs http://crabappleherbs.com/blog/2007/04/11/bad-medicine-my-run-in-with-a-fancy-cardiologist/#comment-3183 crabappleherbs Fri, 13 Apr 2007 19:01:26 +0000 http://crabappleherbs.com/blog/2007/04/11/bad-medicine-my-run-in-with-a-fancy-cardiologist/#comment-3183 A note on a change to this post, and a few caveats: This post originally linked to <a href="http://www.westonaprice.org/moderndiseases/statin.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">this article</a> from the Weston A. Price Foundation website on adverse effects of statins. A friend of mine who is a medical student rightly pointed out that the article demonizes the entire medical profession (if you're curious, check out the second paragraph—the hysteria is remarkable), and doesn't properly cite its sources. So I replaced the link with a more dispassionate summary of adverse effects from the University of San Diego. Just to be clear: I don't think all doctors are awful (I know that this particular cardiologist was a unique specimen), and I don't think there's a pervasive conspiracy among doctors to enslave the population (though I certainly don't trust the pharmaceutical industry). Oh, and "are they trying to murder people, or what?" is very much a joke. Anyone who's seen hospital food should understand what I'm talking about. A note on a change to this post, and a few caveats:

This post originally linked to this article from the Weston A. Price Foundation website on adverse effects of statins. A friend of mine who is a medical student rightly pointed out that the article demonizes the entire medical profession (if you’re curious, check out the second paragraph—the hysteria is remarkable), and doesn’t properly cite its sources. So I replaced the link with a more dispassionate summary of adverse effects from the University of San Diego.

Just to be clear: I don’t think all doctors are awful (I know that this particular cardiologist was a unique specimen), and I don’t think there’s a pervasive conspiracy among doctors to enslave the population (though I certainly don’t trust the pharmaceutical industry).

Oh, and “are they trying to murder people, or what?” is very much a joke. Anyone who’s seen hospital food should understand what I’m talking about.

]]> By: Henriette http://crabappleherbs.com/blog/2007/04/11/bad-medicine-my-run-in-with-a-fancy-cardiologist/#comment-3203 Henriette Sat, 14 Apr 2007 05:28:15 +0000 http://crabappleherbs.com/blog/2007/04/11/bad-medicine-my-run-in-with-a-fancy-cardiologist/#comment-3203 ... and, if you were to follow the citations that Enig + Fallow do give, you might notice that these don't say what they say they do. I dove into statins a couple years ago (here: http://www.henriettesherbal.com/blog/?p=46 ), and tried to read all the articles cited ... the "Oiling of America" article by Enig + Fallow on the Weston+Price site was dishonest that way. … and, if you were to follow the citations that Enig + Fallow do give, you might notice that these don’t say what they say they do.
I dove into statins a couple years ago (here: http://www.henriettesherbal.com/blog/?p=46 ), and tried to read all the articles cited … the “Oiling of America” article by Enig + Fallow on the Weston+Price site was dishonest that way.

]]> By: loose green tea http://crabappleherbs.com/blog/2007/04/11/bad-medicine-my-run-in-with-a-fancy-cardiologist/#comment-3240 loose green tea Sun, 15 Apr 2007 01:31:46 +0000 http://crabappleherbs.com/blog/2007/04/11/bad-medicine-my-run-in-with-a-fancy-cardiologist/#comment-3240 hi there! i've lurked for a bit, but this post hit home for me. my partner has been in and out of hospitals for about a year after his surgery led to multiple infections. the food in the hospitals was not just repulsive, but contrary to what the doctors said he should be eating--food that was high in processed sugars and carbs even though that is thought to "feed" bacterial infections--processed sugars and carbs, tons of preservatives, and (irony of ironies) spinach during the e.coli scare. i started sneaking in food after consulting with his acupuncturist, and the nurses actually supported us! i know it's not easy for hospital dieticians and kitchens to manage the needs through the administrative nightmare that is a hospital, but i still think that there has to be a better way. and doctors and surgeons like the one you described certainly don't help. thanks for writing! i'll keep reading. :) hi there! i’ve lurked for a bit, but this post hit home for me. my partner has been in and out of hospitals for about a year after his surgery led to multiple infections. the food in the hospitals was not just repulsive, but contrary to what the doctors said he should be eating–food that was high in processed sugars and carbs even though that is thought to “feed” bacterial infections–processed sugars and carbs, tons of preservatives, and (irony of ironies) spinach during the e.coli scare.

i started sneaking in food after consulting with his acupuncturist, and the nurses actually supported us! i know it’s not easy for hospital dieticians and kitchens to manage the needs through the administrative nightmare that is a hospital, but i still think that there has to be a better way. and doctors and surgeons like the one you described certainly don’t help.

thanks for writing! i’ll keep reading. :)

]]> By: zoe http://crabappleherbs.com/blog/2007/04/11/bad-medicine-my-run-in-with-a-fancy-cardiologist/#comment-3274 zoe Sun, 15 Apr 2007 19:04:57 +0000 http://crabappleherbs.com/blog/2007/04/11/bad-medicine-my-run-in-with-a-fancy-cardiologist/#comment-3274 Hah. Well after 16 years nursing in the great British National Health Service and ten in herbal medicine I have just about completely flattened an entire side of my head from banging it against the very "thick" wall that is doctors inpenetrable, indoctrinated skulls. There are a few insightful ones out there but a bit like homeopathy they are very diluted and virtually impossible to find! Hah. Well after 16 years nursing in the great British National Health Service and ten in herbal medicine I have just about completely flattened an entire side of my head from banging it against the very “thick” wall that is doctors inpenetrable, indoctrinated skulls. There are a few insightful ones out there but a bit like homeopathy they are very diluted and virtually impossible to find!

]]> By: Jan Sensenich http://crabappleherbs.com/blog/2007/04/11/bad-medicine-my-run-in-with-a-fancy-cardiologist/#comment-3564 Jan Sensenich Sat, 21 Apr 2007 14:36:45 +0000 http://crabappleherbs.com/blog/2007/04/11/bad-medicine-my-run-in-with-a-fancy-cardiologist/#comment-3564 Best wishes to your family member. I wish them a strong recovery. Enlightened again. I tend to use a lot of olive oil. Some are labeled "natural and cold pressed" which probably does not mean much. Any suggestions for a readily avaiable organic brand? Thanks for this blog. I have really been enjoying both the informaton and how it is presented. Great job. Best wishes to your family member. I wish them a strong recovery.

Enlightened again. I tend to use a lot of olive oil. Some are labeled “natural and cold pressed” which probably does not mean much. Any suggestions for a readily avaiable organic brand?

Thanks for this blog. I have really been enjoying both the informaton and how it is presented. Great job.

]]> By: crabappleherbs http://crabappleherbs.com/blog/2007/04/11/bad-medicine-my-run-in-with-a-fancy-cardiologist/#comment-3572 crabappleherbs Sun, 22 Apr 2007 01:34:53 +0000 http://crabappleherbs.com/blog/2007/04/11/bad-medicine-my-run-in-with-a-fancy-cardiologist/#comment-3572 Thanks Zoe and Loose Green Tea! This sort of thing seems to be an all-too-common experience. Jan, as far as olive oil goes, "Zoe" brand is a good choice. It comes in 1 and 3 liter cans and seems to be available at most co-ops and natural food stores in this area. It's organic, and from small farms in Spain. And the importer is a small business. (Spectrum and a lot of other big organic brands are now owned by monster corporations. Sigh.) Oh, and it tastes good. Thanks Zoe and Loose Green Tea! This sort of thing seems to be an all-too-common experience.

Jan, as far as olive oil goes, “Zoe” brand is a good choice. It comes in 1 and 3 liter cans and seems to be available at most co-ops and natural food stores in this area. It’s organic, and from small farms in Spain. And the importer is a small business. (Spectrum and a lot of other big organic brands are now owned by monster corporations. Sigh.) Oh, and it tastes good.

]]> By: Jan S. http://crabappleherbs.com/blog/2007/04/11/bad-medicine-my-run-in-with-a-fancy-cardiologist/#comment-3641 Jan S. Tue, 24 Apr 2007 20:42:42 +0000 http://crabappleherbs.com/blog/2007/04/11/bad-medicine-my-run-in-with-a-fancy-cardiologist/#comment-3641 I actually bought some of the Spectrum this weekend, (extra virgin). Now I am looking form a non-virgin/more refined type that stands up better to cooking. All of the organics at the Hanover Coop were extra virgin. I should probably check the WR Coop. I will see if I can find the Zoe in 1 liter. Thanks. I actually bought some of the Spectrum this weekend, (extra virgin). Now I am looking form a non-virgin/more refined type that stands up better to cooking. All of the organics at the Hanover Coop were extra virgin. I should probably check the WR Coop. I will see if I can find the Zoe in 1 liter.

Thanks.

]]> By: crabappleherbs http://crabappleherbs.com/blog/2007/04/11/bad-medicine-my-run-in-with-a-fancy-cardiologist/#comment-3643 crabappleherbs Tue, 24 Apr 2007 23:55:19 +0000 http://crabappleherbs.com/blog/2007/04/11/bad-medicine-my-run-in-with-a-fancy-cardiologist/#comment-3643 I'm not a big fan of non-extra virgin olive oil because of the toxic solvents that are used to extract it. I don't think you'll find any organic non-extra virgin olive oil because of this. If you want a flavor-neutral oil, I'd suggest spectrum's organic refined coconut oil. That's what I use. Or butter. Organic Valley butter is the best because it's more likely to be grassfed than the others that are available around here. I’m not a big fan of non-extra virgin olive oil because of the toxic solvents that are used to extract it. I don’t think you’ll find any organic non-extra virgin olive oil because of this.

If you want a flavor-neutral oil, I’d suggest spectrum’s organic refined coconut oil. That’s what I use. Or butter. Organic Valley butter is the best because it’s more likely to be grassfed than the others that are available around here.

]]> By: Jan S. http://crabappleherbs.com/blog/2007/04/11/bad-medicine-my-run-in-with-a-fancy-cardiologist/#comment-3661 Jan S. Wed, 25 Apr 2007 13:06:17 +0000 http://crabappleherbs.com/blog/2007/04/11/bad-medicine-my-run-in-with-a-fancy-cardiologist/#comment-3661 This is really helpful and explains why all the organics I was seeing were extra virgin. My flawed understanding was to use extra virgin were not much heat is involved (like dressings, dipping, etc.) and to use the more refined (with a higher smoke point) for sauteeing, fying, etc. I actually do like the flavor of extra-virgin and I suppose I will just watch that I don't overheat it when I use it for cooking. Life will be a bit simpler now - One oil, orgainic extra-vigin, easy on the heat. What's sort of weird is last Sunday at the Coop (when I picked up my oranic olive oil) I also picked up my first lb of Organic Valley Butter. Thanks again. Jan (well oiled) P.S. I just started some basil indoors, so come harvest time it will be organic pesto! This is really helpful and explains why all the organics I was seeing were extra virgin. My flawed understanding was to use extra virgin were not much heat is involved (like dressings, dipping, etc.) and to use the more refined (with a higher smoke point) for sauteeing, fying, etc. I actually do like the flavor of extra-virgin and I suppose I will just watch that I don’t overheat it when I use it for cooking. Life will be a bit simpler now - One oil, orgainic extra-vigin, easy on the heat.

What’s sort of weird is last Sunday at the Coop (when I picked up my oranic olive oil) I also picked up my first lb of Organic Valley Butter.

Thanks again.

Jan (well oiled)

P.S. I just started some basil indoors, so come harvest time it will be organic pesto!

]]> By: rebekka http://crabappleherbs.com/blog/2007/04/11/bad-medicine-my-run-in-with-a-fancy-cardiologist/#comment-9452 rebekka Mon, 15 Oct 2007 20:25:48 +0000 http://crabappleherbs.com/blog/2007/04/11/bad-medicine-my-run-in-with-a-fancy-cardiologist/#comment-9452 Preach it sista'! Just reading that post makes me so angry. Preach it sista’! Just reading that post makes me so angry.

]]> By: Jenna http://crabappleherbs.com/blog/2007/04/11/bad-medicine-my-run-in-with-a-fancy-cardiologist/#comment-13554 Jenna Thu, 20 Dec 2007 01:12:17 +0000 http://crabappleherbs.com/blog/2007/04/11/bad-medicine-my-run-in-with-a-fancy-cardiologist/#comment-13554 Wow! Great blog... I have recently spent a stint in the hospital with a loved one, and I couldn't agree with you more! My observation was, "I bet they a seeding their future patient generation in this hopital with the stuff (that's putting it genteelly) they are passing off as food!" Jenna Wow! Great blog…

I have recently spent a stint in the hospital with a loved one, and I couldn’t agree with you more! My observation was, “I bet they a seeding their future patient generation in this hopital with the stuff (that’s putting it genteelly) they are passing off as food!”

Jenna

]]> By: crabappleherbs http://crabappleherbs.com/blog/2007/04/11/bad-medicine-my-run-in-with-a-fancy-cardiologist/#comment-13633 crabappleherbs Thu, 20 Dec 2007 18:59:03 +0000 http://crabappleherbs.com/blog/2007/04/11/bad-medicine-my-run-in-with-a-fancy-cardiologist/#comment-13633 Thanks, Jenna. It does seem weird, doesn't it? I realize it's hard to cook for thousands of people at once, but come on, now... Thanks, Jenna.

It does seem weird, doesn’t it? I realize it’s hard to cook for thousands of people at once, but come on, now…

]]> By: Rachel R. http://crabappleherbs.com/blog/2007/04/11/bad-medicine-my-run-in-with-a-fancy-cardiologist/#comment-16494 Rachel R. Tue, 22 Jan 2008 18:22:39 +0000 http://crabappleherbs.com/blog/2007/04/11/bad-medicine-my-run-in-with-a-fancy-cardiologist/#comment-16494 Arrrggghhh...don't get me started on hospital "food." I was so angry when my father-in-law was in the hospital *for cancer* (which is fed by sugar), and his liquid diet essentially consisted of Kool-Aid and Jell-O! Arrrggghhh…don’t get me started on hospital “food.” I was so angry when my father-in-law was in the hospital *for cancer* (which is fed by sugar), and his liquid diet essentially consisted of Kool-Aid and Jell-O!

]]> By: crabappleherbs http://crabappleherbs.com/blog/2007/04/11/bad-medicine-my-run-in-with-a-fancy-cardiologist/#comment-16500 crabappleherbs Tue, 22 Jan 2008 18:36:38 +0000 http://crabappleherbs.com/blog/2007/04/11/bad-medicine-my-run-in-with-a-fancy-cardiologist/#comment-16500 Yes, it's interesting... you'll find information on sugar and cancer in the medical literature, but hospital cafeterias sure haven't gotten the message! Yes, it’s interesting… you’ll find information on sugar and cancer in the medical literature, but hospital cafeterias sure haven’t gotten the message!

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